Off Topic

[Steve]

I was listening to the FAN 1040 this afternoon (around 1:45ish) and someone called in and sounded off a little bit. The point was that the Sedin's are doing alright, while other players like Linden and Klatter need to pick it up. While I don't have a problem with the Sedin issue (even though Cooke, Salo, Allen, Letowski, Sopel, Linden, Warriner, Chubarov and Malik each have more goals then Henrik) my issue is with him raggin' on Klatt and Linden.

Linden isn't susposed to be here to lead the offence and any production we get out of Klatt is a step better then what we thought we would get.

I know this isn't jazz related but we did touch on hockey in another thread so I thought I would get it off my chest. I'm just glad we don't have any people like this caller working in our jazz community!

[robnz]

Yes, I also heard about this fellow who you'de think had other saxophone issues on his mind.
I just want to enjoy this run. There's been some marvelous trades in the last few years and some beautiful hockey being played in Vancouver. I hope the trade/draft in question pans out as well as some of the others.
And speaking of Linden- how about his suggestion of the old-old jersey making a comeback! Yeah!

[Steve]

I just couldn't figure out why this guy was raggin on Linden. Linden is a great leader, he's got a good shot, good checked and a good passed. Why.... if I had him over for dinner I'd ask him to pass the peas!

[cweeds]

Ok, time out here. First off that was me and I was far far far from ragging on Linden or Klatt. All I was saying is that the Sedins are popular whipping boys for the fans and the media. Need I remind all of you, that we gave up only Alex Stojanov for Markus Naslund. Naslund did nothing for 4 years and I mean nothing. We must be patient with the Sedins. Now on to Linden and Klatt. Face it. We need more goals from them. If you're going to rag on the Sedins well, the last time I checked Klatt was their center so he has to take the heat. Linden. This guy has always had the potential to be better than he has been his whole career. I don't think its unfair to expect for point production from Linden. C'mon guys work with me here.

[robnz]

OK, here goes... Al Wold is an awesome sax player, right? He's proven it and he knows what he wants and he's not gonna work with a turntablist. And then you got Alvin Cornista. He plays his butt off too, but he is interested in playing with electronica.
See where I'm goin'? Linden swings hard man, but the Sedin's have to get their funk chops together and if we wait, they will.

C'mon Brian...this is still about jazz! (?)

[Steve]

I was wondering when you were going to jump in Cory! I almost crashed when I heard it was you!

Last time I checked Klatt never was the center with the Sedins. Henrik is center and Klatt plays RW. I aggree that we have to be patient but remember that combined these #2 and #3 over all picks have 10 goals and have 35 points.

I aggree with you (for the most part) Cory. Our second and third lines need to score more (Sedins, Linden, Klatt and whoever else is there) The Cooke/Chubarov/Letowski line is great as is the Naslund/Bertuzzi/Morrison line. I was just givin you a hard time.

We should probably move on to something jazz related otherwise Brian might get mad and delete the thread.

When are you going to hire a trombone player to play the Cellar? Andy Martin or Conrad Herwig are wating for you to call!

[cweeds]

My apologies, you're right. Klatt is not a center but I did illustrate my point.

What's a trombone?

BTW, we're not going to sign Jovonoski so you better start getting used to it now.

[Steve]

7 CD's - no trombones.

The trombone is the one that looks like a paper clip!

Jovo is staying. Burke has the money from ownership to keep his core players.

[John Doheny]

Let me see if I've got this straight. In Ice Hockey, the object of the game is to get that little black rubber deal into the net thingie?

As for the Trombone deal, I'll quote from a recent e-mail from Trombonist Neil Bliss.
"Never trust a musician whose instrument changes shape as he plays."

[Steve]

NOOOOOOOO!

We can still save the jazz aspect! Quick everyone, favourite artist, concert, album, group, big band, composer, arranger, anything else!

[robnz]

and Bobby Hull...he had a huge rim shot.

[Guy]

How about that Steve Nash kid being named Canada's athlete of the year! Basketball, baby! Invented by a Canadian! Victoria's Nash is an NBA all-star. It doesn't get any better than that. Plus the Mavs have the best record in the association. And they're playing the Sonics tonight.

(Sorry, I just can't take all this hockey talk!) Sweet Georgia Brown is a great jazz tune made famous by the Globetrotters. What's hockey have? Stompin' Tom Conners?

[Allan Johnston]

Sorry, Guy. Hockey is MUCH more like jazz. More hitting. Less money. Lots of pain. And boards and glass give much more sonic variety than basketball court - though all that 'squeak squeak' *is* vaguely reminiscent of bad Tenor...

Al

[Allan Johnston]

Beliveau was the Bill Evans of his time.

Bel-i-veau

Bill-E-vans

Coincidence?

[Morgan Childs]

Klatty is a mucker. Linden is a mucker. They're good boys. They go out and hit hard, dig and muck for the puck. I think they play a key role in working the oppossing team hard so that Nazzy and Tuzzi can come in and do their thing. It would be nice to see Linden and Klatt scoring more goals, but the ones they do score (such as the one Linden got on Lalime, which I personally witnessed from three rows back) are often beatiful and come from the well-set-up playmaking the Canucks are becoming famous for.

[John Korsrud]

Dan Hinote - Colorado Avalance


favorite golfer...Kirk Triplet
favorite baseball...Steve Sax

damn, that' s all I can think of.


BTW, can anyone tell me the third famous jazz Bill Evans - more well know by another name?

jk

[Guy]

Hockey is too brutish to be anything like jazz. Punk rock or heavy metal, maybe. As a little experiment, I did a search of 'jazz music basketball' and 'jazz music hockey'. The former came up with tons, while the latter had nothing of significance. Here are some excerpts:

In a chapter entitled "The Black Myth: Basketball As Jazz," Michael Novak wrote, "Basketball, although neither invented by blacks nor played only by blacks, came to allow the mythic world of the black experience to enter directly, with minimal change, into American life. The game is corporate like black life; improvisatory like black life; formal and yet casual; swift and defiant; held back, contained, and then exploding; full of leaps and breakaway fluid sprints:" Novak also talked about the "cool, shaded mask" the basketball player must "put on," for basketball is a game of feint.
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Louis Armstrong and Billie Holiday bend time beyond constraints of meter, measure, and tempo; Julius Erving leaps clean from the foul line to the basket for a dunk, altering the physics of everyday life, along with our understanding of human limitations. These "soul focal moments"--what Ralph Ellison calls "true jazz moments"--are moments of transcendence and fusion for all involved: transcendence of the ordinary, and of the boundaries between community and individual. In these moments all, including observers, are participants. The individual who is the catalyst for such a moment is the ultimate team player.
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Jordan's style reflects the jazz nature of black culture as his motions reflect the "will to spontaneity" and "unpredictable eruptions of basketball creativity" that can be compared to jazz improvisation and the soulful sound of the blues. (Dyson: 69-70) His motions are truly musical in nature and that helps him to speak to a wide variety of audiences, black and white of all nationalities. Michael Eric Dyson declared that Jordan's basketball style was a "stlyization of the performed self" that could be compared to the "complexly layered jazz experimentation of John Coltrane . . . Like jazz, Jordan is a radically different creation, a combination of styles, highs and lows, tones and pitches and layers of skill.
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"There are many parallels between the game and the music..." says multi-instrumentalist Douglas Ewart, a long time Chicago resident who came here from Jamaica. "Each form demonstrates individual and collective capacity, the combination of movement and sound."
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar sees striking similarities in the interactions that take place between the five members of a jazz quintet and the five players on a basketball team. "The jazz players pass the solo spotlight amongst and between themselves the way the basketball players pass the ball," he says. "And in both cases it only works when there's teamwork."
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Bebop, which developed out of swing, was popularized in the 1940s. With the civil rights movement emerging at that time, Franke set the first section in a bus to represent the famous Rosa Parks incident in Montgomery, AL. He selected Thelonious Monk's music for this section; the up-and-down accents were shown onstage by dribbling a basketball for part of the choreography.
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To help promote the film and interest in the music, the National Basketball Association will celebrate jazz this fall in special halftime shows in NBA arenas. In addition, the NBA will run League produced Jazz themed "I Love This Game" promotional announcements on cable and network television. NBA players will also speak at JAZZ related events around the country.
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To borrow from another sport, I'd say it's game, set and match to me!

[Allan Johnston]

John wrote:

BTW, can anyone tell me the third famous jazz Bill Evans - more well know by another name?

Yusef Lateef...

[robnz]

In a chapter entitled "The Canadian Myth: Hockey As Jazz," Bonecrusher plagerized, "Hockey, although invented and mastered by Canadians, came to allow the mythic world of the Canadian Jazz experience to enter directly, with minimal change, into Canadian life. The game is corporate like Canadian life; improvisatory like canadian life; formal and yet casual; swift and defiant; full of speed and breakaway fluid sprints:" Bonecrusher also plagarizes about the "cool, shaded mask" the goaltender must "put on," for hockey is a game of hitting.
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Guido Basso and PJ Perry bend time beyond constraints of meter, measure, and tempo; Todd Bertuzzi slips cleanly from the faceoff circle to the goal mouth for a beautiful one-timer, altering the physics of everyday life, along with our understanding of human limitations. These "soul focal moments"--what Charles Ellison calls "true jazz moments"--are moments of transcendence and fusion for all involved: transcendence of the ordinary, and of the boundaries between community and individual. In these moments all, including observers, are participants. The individual who is the catalyst for such a moment is the ultimate team player.
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Mario Lemieux's style reflects the jazz nature of canadian culture as his motions reflect the "will to spontaneity" and "unpredictable eruptions of hockey creativity" that can be compared to jazz improvisation and the soulful sound of the blues. (Crusher: today) His motions are truly musical in nature and that helps him to speak to a wide variety of audiences, jazz ands hockey lovers of all nationalities. Bonecrusher declares that Lemieux's style was a "stylization of the performed self" that could be compared to the "complexly layered jazz experimentation of Brad Turner. . . Like jazz, Lemieux is a radically different creation, a combination of styles, highs and lows, tones and pitches and layers of skill.
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"There are many parallels between the game and the music..." says multi-instrumentalist Steve Mynett, a long time Vancouver resident who came here from somewhere else. "Each form demonstrates individual and collective capacity, the combination of movement and sound."
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Darren Radtke sees striking similarities in the interactions that take place between the five members of a jazz quintet and the five players on a hockey team. "The jazz players pass the solo spotlight amongst and between themselves the way the hockey players pass the puck," he says. "And in both cases it only works when there's teamwork."
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To help promote interest in the music, the NHL will, hopefully, celebrate jazz this fall in special intermission shows in NHL arenas. In addition, the NHL will run League produced Jazz themed "I Love This Game" promotional announcements on cable and network television. NHL players will also, if I get my wish from blowing out my birthday cake candles, speak at JAZZ related events around the country.
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To borrow from this wonderful sport, I'd say, keep your head up when you're crossing the blueline!

-this story is completely ficticious.

We win in OT, Guy (although we got away with a few penalties that perhaps could have been called)

[John Doheny]

In re-reading this thread, I've decided I agree with D.R. Jazz in Canada and Hockey are indeed closely related. Both fields are totally dominated by white guys.